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here's a question about the nra. the nra becomes this behemoth in individuals. i wonder how much that helps the nra themselves. if almost everybody is complicit in saying the nra wants you no know they're powerful. is there a self-fulfilling prophesy about the power of the nra? >> well, in my opinion, there is. if you actually look at the courts across this country where you have a number of lawyers that take pro bono, going into court, fighting things that are nra, going in on local issues, we're winning on that side. that never gets sent to the paper. >> right. >> so, again, you know, it's this myth out there. when the supreme court came out and said a person had a right to own a gun, i'm saying to myself, okay, that issue is off the table now. you have a right to own a gun. if you look at any literature that the nra puts out or any e-mails that they put out. what does it say? they're coming to take your guns away. so you have people that don't follow a subject as closely as we do. everybody out there, hunters, especially, even the police officers who think th
here's a question about the nra. the nra becomes this behemoth in individuals. i wonder how much that helps the nra themselves. if almost everybody is complicit in saying the nra wants you no know they're powerful. is there a self-fulfilling prophesy about the power of the nra? >> well, in my opinion, there is. if you actually look at the courts across this country where you have a number of lawyers that take pro bono, going into court, fighting things that are nra, going in on local...
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this is nra members. 74% of nra members believe that everyone who wants to buy a gun should have to pass a background check. and they support banning people on the terrorist watch list from buying weapons. that is not in force. you can buy a gun in america if you are on the terrorist watch list. if we are going to get past the fear on of doing anything at all on gun rights. if we get past the myth of trying to reform gun laws is impossible as a catigroical thing, what if we started with what even the members of the nra want from national gun laws because they want a hell of a lot more than we have right now. the organization that they are a member of may not admit it, but when you poll the members they want improvements. can we start with what nra members want? joining us is carolyn mccarthy, thank you for joining us tonight. nice to have you here. >> thank you, rachel and thank you for giving out that important information to your audience. >> we have had meaningful conversations about gun control, that does not happen after tucson and aurora, do you feel this time could be difference?
this is nra members. 74% of nra members believe that everyone who wants to buy a gun should have to pass a background check. and they support banning people on the terrorist watch list from buying weapons. that is not in force. you can buy a gun in america if you are on the terrorist watch list. if we are going to get past the fear on of doing anything at all on gun rights. if we get past the myth of trying to reform gun laws is impossible as a catigroical thing, what if we started with what...
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many of them are nra members. but they understand that if you give everybody a background check, if you had a federal trafficking statute, if there were an atf director to give that agency the juice it needs to really get the job done, you could do a lot to keep illegal guns out of the wrong hands without doing anything to keep me or you from having all the guns we'd like. >> mark glaze, i appreciate your time tonight. this may be a moment of change in american history when it comes to firearms. we shall see. appreciate your work. thank you. >>> we as americans will go to sleep tonight with a heavy heart. none of the words we used today seem to describe the heartbreak, the hurt and anger and the range of emotions all of us have felt. our prayers are with the families and relatives of the victims. tonight is a night for understanding. i think we can all understand that. and it's a night that we need to cope with. but i do believe it's also a time we as a people come to grips with a changing society. we need to be t
many of them are nra members. but they understand that if you give everybody a background check, if you had a federal trafficking statute, if there were an atf director to give that agency the juice it needs to really get the job done, you could do a lot to keep illegal guns out of the wrong hands without doing anything to keep me or you from having all the guns we'd like. >> mark glaze, i appreciate your time tonight. this may be a moment of change in american history when it comes to...
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this is nra members. 57% of the nra members believe that everyone who wants to buy a gun should have to pass a criminal background check. 71% of nra members support banning people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing guns. those are not things that are true of american law right, which is amazing. if you are on the freaking terrorist watch list, you can buy a gun in america. if we're going to get past this almost hysterical fear of trying to do anything at all on gun rights, if we're going to try to puncture the myth that anything to reform or rationalize gun laws is absolutely politically impossible as a categorical thing, what would happen if we just started at the edges? what would happen if we just started even members of the nra say they want from national gun laws? because they want a hell of a lot more than we've got right now. the organization they are a member of may not admit that, but when you poll their members, even they want improvements. could we at least start with what nra members want? joining us now is congresswoman carolyn mccarthy. she is a democrat of new
this is nra members. 57% of the nra members believe that everyone who wants to buy a gun should have to pass a criminal background check. 71% of nra members support banning people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing guns. those are not things that are true of american law right, which is amazing. if you are on the freaking terrorist watch list, you can buy a gun in america. if we're going to get past this almost hysterical fear of trying to do anything at all on gun rights, if we're...
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nra members, they're okay with reasonable gun controls. the nra leadership has been fanatic and frankly functions as enablers to mass murder, and they've got to be stopped on that. >> and we have to face the value of some of the rhetoric. lindsey graham was on tv the other night saying in response to talking about sensible gun laws that, no, i believe in the second amendment. i like to hunt. that is not contrary to the sensible gun laws that anybody is advocating. you know, when you talk about something like criminal background checks, that has nothing to do with a hunter who wants to hunt, or a target shooter who wants to target shoot. >> it's been reported that the shooter had some issues mentally. that's what has been reported. how do we keep firearms away from those who have challenges? >> you require background checks for sale of guns to anyone. you get rid of the gun show loophole where someone at a gun show can sell it to anybody. can sell it to people on the terrorists list. can sell it to convicted pedophiles. can sell it to felon
nra members, they're okay with reasonable gun controls. the nra leadership has been fanatic and frankly functions as enablers to mass murder, and they've got to be stopped on that. >> and we have to face the value of some of the rhetoric. lindsey graham was on tv the other night saying in response to talking about sensible gun laws that, no, i believe in the second amendment. i like to hunt. that is not contrary to the sensible gun laws that anybody is advocating. you know, when you talk...
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the nra, a lot of conservatives, in congress, who say that that's not the answer. we need to do a better job of enforcing the laws that are already on the books. president obama certainly making a pretty strong statement in his remarks yesterday and again in hi radio address today. >> switching gears now. a few moments ago we reported hillary clinton faint ad pew days ago. she is home now. expected to be okay. how will her illness affect the timing of the announcement of the next secretary of state? >> reporter: i don't know that it will have an impact on that announcement. what i can tell you, craig, is that just to put night context, secretary of state clinton recently to cancel an overseas trip because she got a stomach bug. because of that bug, according to officials at the state department, she became dehydrated several day ace go and did faint and did suffer a concussion. but she is at home and is resting and she is being monitored by doctors and she is expected to return to work sometime soon. >> nbc's kristen welker from the white house for us on this satur
the nra, a lot of conservatives, in congress, who say that that's not the answer. we need to do a better job of enforcing the laws that are already on the books. president obama certainly making a pretty strong statement in his remarks yesterday and again in hi radio address today. >> switching gears now. a few moments ago we reported hillary clinton faint ad pew days ago. she is home now. expected to be okay. how will her illness affect the timing of the announcement of the next...
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i mean, talk about the power that the nra wields. >> look, i think actually the nra's power is more perceived than real, alex. when i heard the news yesterday and like jimmy, i grew up with a rifle. i grew up in pennsylvania. we went hunting. we never had handguns around but we had a rifle in the house. and we used it for hunting. that was it. but i think a lot of us who were in the hunting community have much more tolerance for stricter regulation of the handguns and especially certain kinds of handguns than most people per sooechlt and i think you see that in the polling. when i heard the news yesterday as a father of two children who i send out to public school here in washington, d.c. every day, a city that has outlawed guns but still has a very high crime rate, and the husband of a public schoolteacher, i just wanted to see my wife and two kids as quickly as possible and hug them and know that they're okay. like all other parents, i think, in the country, including the president felt when we heard the news yesterday. >> well, i can echo that. i have two children and i hugged them both la
i mean, talk about the power that the nra wields. >> look, i think actually the nra's power is more perceived than real, alex. when i heard the news yesterday and like jimmy, i grew up with a rifle. i grew up in pennsylvania. we went hunting. we never had handguns around but we had a rifle in the house. and we used it for hunting. that was it. but i think a lot of us who were in the hunting community have much more tolerance for stricter regulation of the handguns and especially certain...
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this is not dead because the nra stops congress. >> because the nra is not controlling our pocketbooks. thank you so much chief edwards and my panel who is going to stick around for a little bit more. coming up, we will go back live to newtown, connecticut, with the latest on the school shooting. >>> welcome back, i'm melissa harris-perry. all morning we are following the events out of newtown, connecticut. the town was rocked to the core yesterday by the senseless shooting spree at sandy hook elementary school. what we know now is this, 26 people were gunned down at the school while the lives of countless others were ir revocably traumatized by what unfolded. 20 of those killed were schoolchildren ranging in age from 5 to 10 years old. six of those killed were adults. one person, the shooter's mother, was killed prior to the rampage, and in tend, the gunman killed himself. that puts the total dead at 28. while we are all overwhelmed by the number of people that were killed, we must not lose sight of the most important fact that they weren't just numbers, they were victims. in the comi
this is not dead because the nra stops congress. >> because the nra is not controlling our pocketbooks. thank you so much chief edwards and my panel who is going to stick around for a little bit more. coming up, we will go back live to newtown, connecticut, with the latest on the school shooting. >>> welcome back, i'm melissa harris-perry. all morning we are following the events out of newtown, connecticut. the town was rocked to the core yesterday by the senseless shooting spree...